Curse

Vazze · Dec 20, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I don't care if the rewards are high (they are high) or if this devalues the gift items, what I do care about is:
- both SD and crush are farmed with exploits. Is anet capable of making ANYTHING in this game that does not have an exploit? I didn't think so.
- inflation is fine but the game was not designed to handle this: opening thousands of gifts really hurts my index finger.

Damian Greenthumb · Dec 20, 2010, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

The problem ( i guess ) is how ridiculously easily you can get titles for a few months compared to how you could in the past .
Remember people who did r12 kurzic in AB compared to farming easily MTSC now.
Remember for festive items and compare to this quest now ...
Remember for gold items and compare it to raptor or vaettir farm( ok but that's older though)...

What i mean is that it's more likely centering people on playing alone instead of team. Instead of trading , people now rather go play either their sc area without talking at all , either complete their title on their own ( future with 7 heroes too..) . What is gonna be next , some scroll to complete directly HM area??

So, you would rather the game dosnt evolve or change in design? If thats the case then Factions, NF should have been in the same model as Prof, and EoTN wouldnt have been introduced as well. A game that wont evolve to accomodate a wider player base wont survive. I certainly hope you wont take advantage of the HoM rewards if you chose to play GW2.
BTW, Remember when ShadowForm was "GodMode"?

Aycee · Dec 20, 2010, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Eh don't really care. It's there and much to late to change it.

What are you guys doing with your gifts, Selling or opening?

Damian Greenthumb · Dec 20, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Arduin

Like those farms are profitable...

At the risk of a total derailment of the thread, I didn't say they were profitable farms. Although, prior to the nerf snowman lair yielded 5 hm chests, monk tomes and plenty of mob drop unids in a nice short run. Not to mention the endchest and seasonals. They are two examples of how SF is far from GodMode. As an SF farmer, without sweets there is potential for death even on the most cushy runs.

Fay Vert · Dec 20, 2010, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Good move to make some more of the grind titles less grindy. Of course the real thing they need to kill is the stupid minutes rule for alcohol. Just let people spam it, the current requirement is just really really REALLY bad game design. (And before the trolls start, I already have ale hound)

A11Eur0 · Dec 20, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Good move to make some more of the grind titles less grindy. Of course the real thing they need to kill is the stupid minutes rule for alcohol. Just let people spam it, the current requirement is just really really REALLY bad game design. (And before the trolls start, I already have ale hound)

x2 all around.

Just Sai · Dec 20, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

its a great chance for everyone to get a load of stuff and have a great time.
isn't that the point?
only you care if your not getting rich ~_*

HawkofStorms · Dec 20, 2010, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Vazze

I don't care if the rewards are high (they are high) or if this devalues the gift items, what I do care about is:
- both SD and crush are farmed with exploits. Is anet capable of making ANYTHING in this game that does not have an exploit? I didn't think so.
- inflation is fine but the game was not designed to handle this: opening thousands of gifts really hurts my index finger.

What exploit? SD is working exactly as intended.

And yeah, my fingers are killing me.

ErrantVenture · Dec 21, 2010, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

What exploit? SD is working exactly as intended.

And yeah, my fingers are killing me.

Autoclickers are your friends.

Aycee · Dec 21, 2010, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by ErrantVenture

Autoclickers are your friends.

Until they stab you in the back and get you banned.

Star_Jewel · Dec 21, 2010, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by helloeveryone

Price goes down, no one farms anymore as it is not profitable, existing stock goes back up in value and people start farming again.simple economics

I hope you're right. I'd been hoarding alcohol/sweet/party items for over a year for myself, until I could decide which character would use them. As soon as I got my total, I was going to start selling additional items to fund my elite armor. Now that I'm ready to do that, it looks like the market is crashing. Just my luck!

FoxBat · Dec 21, 2010, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel

I hope you're right.

They're going to drop down to 50g or lower by the end of wintersday. And if canthan new year continues the absurd generousity then I wouldn't expect them to ever rise again. Sell your stock now because it isn't going to get any better.

NerfHerder · Dec 21, 2010, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

They're going to drop down to 50g or lower by the end of wintersday. And if canthan new year continues the absurd generousity then I wouldn't expect them to ever rise again. Sell your stock now because it isn't going to get any better.

^^This is probably true. But, its not a bad thing imo. With GW2 in a year(give or take a few months), we will all laugh at how trivial we made the increased gifts seem when we are sending arrows through an eles fire wall for extra damage. Meanwhile, players that prefered to enjoy the game rather than farm can earn their titles.

Veldan · Dec 21, 2010, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

The problem ( i guess ) is how ridiculously easily you can get titles for a few months compared to how you could in the past .
Remember people who did r12 kurzic in AB compared to farming easily MTSC now.
Remember for festive items and compare to this quest now ...
Remember for gold items and compare it to raptor or vaettir farm( ok but that's older though)...
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to make one thing clear: grind titles never become easier, they become shorter, which is not at all a bad thing imo. Also, if the rewards for the wintersday quests were as low as they were a few years ago, it would just not be worth doing, you could make a lot more presents by just farming something random, then buying presents for your money.

Hobbs · Dec 21, 2010, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Veldan

to make one thing clear: grind titles never become easier, they become shorter

That's simply not true. With the current state of Sweet and Party points you can buy titles for about half the price, farming 500,000g is easier than farming 1,400,000g no matter which way you look at it.

Plus VQing MQ over and over is considerably easier than playing AB/FA as well as being shorter.

In the majority of cases the grind titles are now easier AND faster, except Drunkard which is slower due to the closing of the "windows" trick, but it's still easier because it's cheaper.

Tom Swift · Dec 21, 2010, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I maxed party and sweet before this event and had enough alcohol going in that I won't need a single drop to max that one too.

Never spent even 1 gold piece on any of it - just used what came along in the course of events and what I got from nick.

Nor will I sell anything I get from this festival - just give them away to guildies still looking to max their titles.

So if the rewards from this festival make it possible for some to get those title a few months earlier than they would have other wise done - I say it's a great idea.

Bellatrixa · Dec 21, 2010, 07:43 PM // 19:43

I'd say Wintersday this year is on par with rewards from Halloween. Having seen Wintersday 3 years ago and thinking what a dreadful bore it was as the rewards weren't that amazing, I love this new style. It's meant to be the season of GIVING.

You want a challenge? Get a mini polar bear. They haven't devalued so there's still something out there to shoot for if you want to make a ton of cash. The masses of presents: how is this any different from ToT bags? I actually prefer the rewards from the presents. Currently stocking up on DP removal for my resumption of my VQ title after the holidays, not to mention accumulating points for drunkard/party.

I think people are forgetting that this may well be the last Wintersday before GW2. Why not make the festivals memorable and give those a chance who haven't played for 5 years to get something out of it? If you've maxed the titles already, why should it concern you anyway? You've done it, got it, good for you. Don't be Grentches about it :P

Would also like to see Drunkard involve spammable alcohols or at the very least show counters for how long the drunk effect is lasting per drink. To me that's something so simple and already possible with sweet/party items. I don't see why alcohol items don't have that (I know grog does but why not the others?)

sandor · Dec 22, 2010, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

Hadn't heard about this. Time to Max Party methinks.

That's what I thought.

Veldan · Dec 22, 2010, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

That's simply not true. With the current state of Sweet and Party points you can buy titles for about half the price, farming 500,000g is easier than farming 1,400,000g no matter which way you look at it.

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No, simply not. If you can farm 1g, you can also farm 1,400,000g, just by repeating the 1g farm. It's not any harder, since you are doing the exact same thing, but then more times. Every grind title is this way. You can pick something that gives you a small amount of, for example, reputation points, and then repeat it. Repeating it more times doesn't make it harder, just longer.

Tom Swift · Dec 22, 2010, 12:37 PM // 12:37

By the way,

the mobs in "You're a Mean one Mister Grenth" and "In Grenth's Defense" drop gifts instead of candy cane shards this year. So you get an extra 5-10 above the reward for each of those.

Not that it makes any difference since they take so long it would be pointless to farm them. (unless you want globs of frozen plasm)